#anti-vivziepop fandom

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Vivziepoop Stans Love One Note Dimensional Protagonists

They always mentioned how she s/a him but if you dare bring up the idea that Stolas sexually coerced Blitzo then you get tons of justification saying it's Blitzos own fault. It's one thing to always be a villain but it's another thing to be a villain you find in shipping fanfiction to justify having your pairing get together without being condemned for cheating.

[theoddest1]

Lmaoooo

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Samantha is a Story Artist, Animator, and Animation BFA who works for Viv on both HH and HB.

2nd Edit: Some of y'all need to chill in the comments with certain things you say. It ain't finna make any point come across decently with how you spread some info. I get being mad at some of the reactions, don't get me wrong, but bring it back down slow plz.

[cagneyblooms]

I genuinely smile whenever I see this clip so here's this !!

[catmeow06]

Before this year ends can all agree that hazbin hotel was a scam and the actually good and normal fans deserve better than the hot garbage they waited 5 years for

[carto0ncritter]

Despite the unnecessarily long ask sent by the other person about Stolitz, they're not wrong. Anti-Stolitz (and Anti-Stolas as well) are disingenuous and ignore every tiny bit of deeper analysis regarding Stolitz that isn't crammed into "Stolas is an monster boohoo"

There is just so many wrong things that you guys talk that is baffling.

I'll just say to: cut with the whole Stolas mischaracterization, Blitz being used as an empty vessel for you guys project your own feelings into him and how he should react, also mischaracterize Blitz and his views, the twisting of Blitz's words and intentions towards Stolas is ridiculous.

As well as cut with the whole "retcon" talk regarding The Circus, which somehow is very common, this is just stupid.

I have no words anymore

[blackboxwarriorsbiggestfan]

Honestly though, if I had a fandom like Vivziepop, I would break down crying.

Take away all the 'shes a terrible person' stuff

Being represented by a toxic fandom that has driven multiple people to end their lives because of something so damn stupid, that cult-like worship is damn terrifying.

Does she genuinely have no guilt about that??? I mean, practically training people to be your big scary guard dogs is fucked up, but some of them being CHILDREN? And practically all of them getting away with literal murder? Where did she go wrong?

But she's always been wrong, she's always done stuff like this, recent stuff is just the catalyst.

[yourfavouritemotherlyanti]

Nah doing your DeviantArt original character rp sesh in what is supposed to be a professional business email and telling your customer to "fuck off" whilst waiting for their playbill is crazy lmao/Neg.

[bbgliker-teehee]

NOW THIS IS WHAT I CALL A RADIO DEMON!!!😍😍😍😍

Art is by @/99_monochrome on Twitter btw

[bump-inthe-night]

A Charlastor shipper has committed suicide due to rampant harassment. What makes this situation worse is that, like Shay, Vivziepop is likely going to remain silent because she wants it swept under the rug.

However, this level of harassment isn’t limited to only Vivziepop’s fandom but numerous other ones as well. People care more about fictional characters than human beings, treating them with more respect and humanity because they want to "protect" them. Real people are treated like dirt and bullied because of what they like in fiction, and it's disgusting. Fictional characters shouldn't be prioritized over HUMAN BEINGS, who are affected by what you say and do to them.

If you dislike what someone likes, then you fucking block them, but don't harass them. Fictional characters are worthless compared to a human life.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

It's Official Stolas Is A Black Hole Creator's Pet

Yep, Vivziepoop liked this tweet about excusing him under the belief that since he initiated it first it means his consent and furth feelings don't matter. Seriously, this just shows that further into the show that Stolas will always be treated as right and Blitzo will have more of the blame than him. Again Stolas is not the biggest combination of Black Hole Sue and Creator's pet. I would also throw in Jerk Sue because everything about him is now being excused as not really his thought or victim blaming Blitzo for not fully being comfortable with him. Vivziepoop truly is a messed up pos.

[theoddest1]

Hey, isn't it so..."Great" that Viv is out here liking posts that clearly find moments where Angel is being sexual with his rapist "Hot" How much more telling can this all get, right? We really sit here, having to explain how fucked up it is to take SA, try to tackle it "seriously" but then proceed to not even do it for that reason. Only for it to be for angst and goon material. How do you expect me to SIT HERE and take whatever Viv has to offer seriously? The number of people I have seen trying to justify this gross behavior is abysmal. If you have this kink or whatever, fine not like I can stop you, be into that shit somewhere else, but DO NOT try and TACKLE IT only for it to be not even seen as serious or as a way for you to get off to your sick fantasies.

Why the hell would you like this? "Angel with his abusive rapist boss😝, so hot guys! Can'tstop thinking about it!"

What good reason would Viv have in liking this post? Why do over 4k people find a post like this neat? "Oh they're fictional, it's gucci, stop bitching" wouldn't need to bitch if people didn't outright sexualize moments meant to tackle an irl fucking problem.

By the way, this person ships Angel and Valentino together. Their pinned tweet is legit sexual Val and Angel art. I wouldn't recommend attacking them regardless if you disagree with their ships and what they deem...ugh "hot."

Fair warning to I WILL be showing some of their arts and reblogs as evidence, so if you are not into that sort of thing (anything NSFW), I highly recommend scrolling past my post or past this section of it.

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I'm pretty sure Viv actively searches for this sort of thing on Twitter, like it's PAINFULLY obvious that she does. How you just so happen to like a post clear af lusting for this abusive relationship YOU CLAIMED to take seriously that ALSO happens to be from an account that ships the abuser with the victim? Gtfo with your two-faced shit, just say your find this hot instead of lying your absolute ass off. The audacity for some fans to go after one group of people for liking questionable stuff only to let other questionable things slide. Like homie, you can let rape slide, but draw the line for any other questionable thing? How's about you have that energy for EVERYTHING with your hypocritical asses. Ion wanna hear y'all stank ass make callouts if you're okay with a rapist being shipped with someone he actively harms in various ways.

And Viv

You say this entire sequence is meant to be uncomfortable, meant to not sugar-coat how awful this situation is, and supposedly have people who are victims/survivors themselves, yet here you are liking posts from people who do anything but take it seriously and even sexualize it. That's absolutely insane to me. And reminds me how you were drooling over some pins that glamorize the abuse Angel and supposedly Husk goes through, you know, the same character that COMPARED his abuse with Angel's.

Ah yes, let's downplay how horrible Angel's situation is further, shall we? Let's especially do it after adamantly arguing with other SA survivors who "haven't seen the episode yet" and need to shut up or don't watch 😃. Let's ignore the fact that Husk and Angel's situations STILL aren't comparable but it's still very odd to have pins on TWO situations taken seriously in the show. So do you actually view the situations seriously or not Viv???

God she's....actually fucking stupid and horrid.

[demiaroacefrieren]

I'm still pissed off about the people who used Autism as a way to excuse Stolas' actions. Stolas is not canonically Autistic, and even if he was, it's still no excuse to defend his actions. As an Autistic person, I found this extremely disgusting, especially as an Autistic woman since Neurotypical people heavily infantilze Autistic men.

[pastel-kaleesh]

Here's Piccolo being an iconic aroace agender icon that could knock the socks off that edgelord Alastor

Oh, and he's one of the best written Dragon Ball characters ever

How could you not love this guy?

Ironic how a Shonen anime that debuted in the 80s could have been much progressive than the so called "progressive indie queer show" from 2024. Vivziepoop, this is called writing, design, and dedication. Has Toriyama ever acted like a whiny baby because of criticism? No. He actually fixed things and kept people coming for more. He didn't shape one, but several generations. Yes, Dragon Ball has its problems, but Toriyama and the team acknowledged them and fixed them. These are characters, not edgy high school OCs but animated. In my opinion, Piccolo could wipe off Alastor's edgy smile. And heck, Piccolo has much better (unintentional) Black coding than Alastor. Many people in the Black community have identified with Piccolo, unlike Alastor. I've seen more complaints from the Black community on Alastor than praise.

[flower-boi16]

Daily reminder that Blitzo and Stolas' mistakes are not equal to each other and should not be treated as such.

Stolas was coercing and r@ping Blitzo for his own sexual pleasure, and frequently makes sexual advances to Blitz even when Blitz makes it clear to him that he's uncomfortable with it.

Blitz, meanwhile, only manipulated Stolas three times one of which was when he was a CHILD who was forced to do what his father wanted him to and had a strong disliking of Stolas because of how Stolas treated him...which he is not in the wrong for in the slightest.

This is not a mutually toxic relationship, it's a victim and abuser relationship. An SA victim is never just as bad as their abuser.

And the fandom still denies it to this day.

[soulfulazrael]

"Media literacy" in HB fanbase. OH MY GOD is r/HelluvaBoss dumb. Also Vassago.

I made a mistake

Well 2. One of them is using this gif given recent... funny things with certain VA, but the other, relevant one is visiting the dreaded r/HelluvaBoss

Now I do not engage in discussion there. It will lead nowhere as most of you will realize the moment you will see what I have to show you, but first let's talk about a spectacular case of confused character writing that is Vassago.

I wont discuss who he is in Demonology. That is kind of irrelevant because this show barely follows any of it anyway. What is important is their appearance in Mastermind as the sole defender of Stolas's honor and all I can say is... Who the fuck are you?

And let's be honest. If none of us watched promotional material we would also ask ourselves the same thing. Who is this guy?

And it makes sense because suddenly at a very high point in the story this character is thrown at us as if we are not only supposed to know who this is, but also be amazed at that he defends Stolas. His one friend... brother... lover... someone who comes to his aid among all the other Goetias.

And there was no build up to this character, there was no name drop of him before, no flashback, not even a peep that would relate in ANY way to his character and all we are left with are questions and not the good kind. Why is he for instance speaking spanish in between english? Why is he so important? Why is he the only one in Stolas's corner? Why is he in this pivotal moment that is meant to cap off the entire season's story?

But not to worry because bright people from a beautiful place that is r/HelluvaBoss come to our aid to help our 'media illiteracy'

Do I even have to say anything? I mean I do, but still... come on.

Let us first address top comment "He will be important later". I am sorry, but what kind of justification is that? When is that later? 3rd season? Because if so then this is terrible way of introducing character that is going to be important in 3rd season. Because this show already presents him as if he has been part of the story for a while and gives him a prominent role (as prominent as like 5 lines are) like there was some kind of foreshadowing towards him being the only one to defend Stolas.

There was not. Vassago is put in a role that would be more fitting for character like Ozzie. You know. Actually important character that was given previously some screentime and has established relationship with the main cast who can stand in this proceeding and do SOMETHING aside from looking down at his phone like an average 12 year old today during Christmas Dinner.

And that is the thing. Such a role in an episode should NOT be given to completely new character. This is a role that should be given to already pre established character that AT LEAST is mentioned by word. Like I dunno. With Stolas maybe wondering how Vassago is doing or how maybe at some point he mentions him. SOMETHING. Dropping this character so suddenly in such a crucial moment of the story is just very strange. In a way same goes for Satan who also had about nothing about him besides I believe Verosika episode having him mentioned... one line... that is the level of foreshadow we are doing here.

And then there is that other comment that talks about "media literacy". You want to add a new character? How about do it ANYWHERE ELSE than a crucial part of it. Because those moments are not good for introductions of new parts of main cast without any prior mention of them. Those moments are meant to be culmination of everything that came before. Leave intros for before and/or after.

And then we have some of this

I love those people man. All talking about "media literacy" or "anti-intelectualism". Just... AAAAGH! God. Yeah. You are so smart. You understand writing so well.

Let's just put it into perspective. This is as if Verosika's first appearance would be in Apology Tour as one of the people Blitzo hurt and we are suddenly supposed to care for her even though she never showed up or was mentioned before. That would be STUPID right?

Well that's what they did with Vassago. Apparently VERY important character to Stolas introduced haphazardly during climax of the Season in a prominent role of being the only one who defends him even though not only is this part better suited for other character that is there, but also this role is absolutely wasted because he has about 5 goddamn lines. And it is telling how much in that first image the long comment does mostly just theorizing because we know absolutely NOTHING about this character and people are already supposed to be hyped for him despite that he was introduced so quickly. Also take a load of this.

Yeah. Because a character introduced at the very start of the book is the same as goddamn Vassago. In fact this is like Gandalf being introduced in Moria. Wouldn't that be just dumb? And you know what's sad? This.

Those people actually bring up good points. And they either no attention or get downvoted. Why? Because critical thinking is a sin on that subreddit. The first one especially (upvoted by me now BTW). Just... ugh...

This is the state of people on r/HelluvaBoss. If you value your braincells do NOT go to that damn place. There is about as much critical thinking and praised "media literacy" as there is on ragebait thread on twatter spouted by some idiot talking about how "west has fallen" because woman.

It's stupid. And makes me dumber just thinking about it. Jesus. This fanbase man. It's amazing.

Now there are smart people in this fanbase. There are good people in it. There are very much great, talented people in it. And some of those people who I mentioned who's comments hurt my brain could be talented and could be smart, but are just not about this part of HB. But considering what they are saying... I needed to vent about this because this hurts to see.

And the worst part is that Viv probably likes that this fanbase is like this. No critical thinking or doubts. Just spouting insults. Making headcanons to counter criticism and refusal to leave their echo chamber.

It's sad. Because not only I feel bad for them, but I feel bad for the show, because with fans like those how could it EVER improve? To many of those probably the only time to say anything critical is when it's all over. But at that point... who cares?

Also do not think I am some pillar of 'media literacy' or 'intellectualism'. I am not. I am really not. I am just passionate about writing and those people cause me headaches.

[citrsworld]

Stolitz being first over satosugu gave me a heart attack